New Server & Client

[Nozemi]

Thought I'd let you know that over the past few days I picked up my Dodian work again to work on a new server and client. You can follow the progress of the development on Github (http://github.com/Nozemi/Dodian).

First off we're going to remake Dodian the way Dodian was, with little to no changes. When that's done, we'll launch it and start shaping it's future, or leave it the way it is.

I also thought it's time we then see some payable, in terms of cosmetic items, maybe other perks. Haven't started planning this yet, but we're open for suggestions!

I will also stress that we have no plans to reset the current progress. However it's an option to do that once we go live with this new server, if the community favors it and it's the right move that is.

[David]

yaaaa reset it once it goes live

[Jabast]

I think just eco reset would be fine, but then again who am I rite? :P

[Psionyx]

Excited for this! Though, I'd be a no vote on the reset myself. Those who want a reset, have their own personal reasons why lol.. mostly stakers who lost it all. If people want to start fresh, make a new account possibly? The quest to be the richest on the server is why many don't just start over.. want the reset as to not have to compete against the people winning. Just my opinion on resets. Let people keep their progress I say. If everyone was running around with 20 whips and phat sets like it's wooden sheilds.. then yeah reset. But economy isn't damaged.. it's just slow.

[L2mbChop]

No reset man i have grinded here so many hours, i think i would not play it again from 0
Delate items maybe but not the skills

[junkbot]

The only way I would accept to have a reset is if those who have spent so much time already grinding get perks. I don't know what perks, but there should be something no one can get, like prestige levels in COD. Say for example there was an extra skills or something or somewhere where you kept store of the prestige. That being said I would not want it reset. I've always been a firm believer in expanding the game further to add new features for those who are higher level. Maybe another boss or two, maybe some new items for them to get, but definitely not a hard reset.

[Jabast]

Excited for this! Though, I'd be a no vote on the reset myself. Those who want a reset, have their own personal reasons why lol.. mostly stakers who lost it all. If people want to start fresh, make a new account possibly? The quest to be the richest on the server is why many don't just start over.. want the reset as to not have to compete against the people winning. Just my opinion on resets. Let people keep their progress I say. If everyone was running around with 20 whips and phat sets like it's wooden sheilds.. then yeah reset. But economy isn't damaged.. it's just slow.

Don't think any staker responded here yet but k

[Psionyx]

I'm just reffering to instances I've seen in-game chats and discord, and not particularly recent as we don't have many people playing this moment. The people I've seen saying there should be a reset are people who have a reason why, not that the economy is truly broken. And noones gunna say "I got cleaned, reset the eco" either.. I'm not naming names or instances, I'm just being general on my reasoning why I don't want a reset as I don't believe the economy is broken. Things like the new year's event would have been a huge waste of time. Many of the 20+ people we had on then still have their accounts, if they choose to come back just to start at square one again might be a deterant, as many were fresh accounts. Most new dodian players are returning players. Just my opinions on the matter. If the vote passes on reset then so be it. I just don't understand why people can't just make new accounts if they want to start fresh, what does it matter what everyone else has for stats and their bank? I'm usually only in favor of eco resets after something like a massive dupe that caused damage beyond repair

[Eikenboom]

and what revision it will be? OSRS? 317, 474?

And do we rework the forums again? This one becomes realy slow, also we run version 3 right now and 5 is out?

[Skip the Gym]

no reset, and i'll stop staking

[Nozemi]

and what revision it will be? OSRS? 317, 474?

And do we rework the forums again? This one becomes realy slow, also we run version 3 right now and 5 is out?

317, loading OSRS #130 or so. It's a Elvarg base.

Nothing will happen with the forums yet. vBulletin 5 is a pile of shit. If anything we'd go with vBulletin 4. But realistically we're not going to continue vBulletin at all if I am to do something with the forums.

I'm well aware that this one is slow. I could look into that. Quite sure that has to do with some shitty code that was produced on top of vBulletin over the years. I've noticed it's usually only slow on the frontpage and highscores.

But economy isn't damaged.. it's just slow.

Economy is definitely damaged as a result of dupes. Whether we reset it or not is another discussion all together though. I haven't looked into what is currently in the economy, so I can't say for sure what best approach would be on the matter.

[KxWarrior]

how many resets has this server had since it closed since the original? Keep the stats/eco.

[Nozemi]

how many resets has this server had since it closed since the original? Keep the stats/eco.

Too many. There is also this; how many times did we have solid code behind it?

Anyway, I don't think there will be a reset.

[Fabrice L]

There has never been solid code behind it. And the moments we actually had some solid server running people voted it off and wanted the old server back lol

[Jobbernowl]

Only people up to date here are people currently playing so the voting is kinda skewed. If some word got out there could be a new server with an eco reset I'm sure we'd actually have a playerbase.

[Nozemi]

Only people up to date here are people currently playing so the voting is kinda skewed. If some word got out there could be a new server with an eco reset I'm sure we'd actually have a playerbase.

Well, this is not a traditional vote. I just want to get an idea on who wants to vote what, then make a decision based on it in the direction that I think will benefit the most.

Although I don't see a real reason to reset yet. All it will get us in terms of playerbase is short term grinders that just try to stay #1. Who will leave once they're too far behind in the race.

There has never been solid code behind it. And the moments we actually had some solid server running people voted it off and wanted the old server back lol

This time they don't get to :)

[Fabrice L]

This time they don't get to :)

Hope they dont

At everyone wondering, I'm FMod bc I'm special 😛

[Goku]

I'll be back if everything is reset and an active team.

[Pro Noob]

I'll be back if everything is reset and an active team.
Just because no updates, do not mean the team has been inactive. (If you are refering to the staff team)

[Nozemi]

Hope they dont

At everyone wondering, I'm FMod bc I'm special 😛

Best forum mod ever :) Thanks for your services <3

I'll be back if everything is reset and an active team.

Realistically it currently seems like best you can hope for is a wipe of the eco. Though at the moment, it seems like the best route is to just carry on and try to tackle the current progress/eco in the best way possible.

That said, I probably won't be around to work hard on that part of the project. Let's put it this way; we're in phase 1, which is getting a new server live. Phase 2 is continued development, which I probably won't be arsed with personally.

Though after phase 1, we're looking at a Dodian that is easy to add on to, and everything is open source. Which means it's up to the community to shape it the way they want.

[Feared Box]

If we are switching to a new base, and might not have access to getting items currently in game, then we definitely need an eco wipe at least. At that point, I just think everything should be wiped to put everyone at an even starting point.

[Nozemi]

If we are switching to a new base, and might not have access to getting items currently in game, then we definitely need an eco wipe at least. At that point, I just think everything should be wiped to put everyone at an even starting point.

New base != new content. New base just means less bugs and an overall better experience playing the current game.

[Feared Box]

Sure, but it can also be a good time to rebase an eco where top gear isn't obtainable anymore. By either resetting the eco or making those items obtainable again. Regardless, either of those things can be done with or without the new base, just an ideal time I guess.

[NotIdeal]

Just make an iron man / HCIM mode to keep people happy without a reset.

[Nozemi]

Just make an iron man / HCIM mode to keep people happy without a reset.

That's a likely addition to be made along with the new server :)

[lilho0ligan]

if anyone wants a fresh start just make a new account. not fair for anyone to loose current progress because some want a fresh start

[Nightleaf]

Realistically it won't matter, until something fundamentally changes and a decent project gets off the ground this won't go anywhere like it hasn't for several years.

[Cache]

Realistically it won't matter, until something fundamentally changes and a decent project gets off the ground this won't go anywhere like it hasn't for several years.

Thanks for your faith in us <3

[Feared Box]

Realistically it won't matter, until something fundamentally changes and a decent project gets off the ground this won't go anywhere like it hasn't for several years.

Thanks for your faith in us <3

He does have a point though, there is a proven track record...hence the many times there has been new servers randomly popping up.

We need an actual team behind it first, then actually reaching out to find players through any means that we have.

[Nightleaf]

Thanks for your faith in us <3

Look at the state of the community and the server that people are playing. Then add in the history of Dodian in the last several years, I would love to see this flourish but I haven't seen evidence that it will. I'm not saying it to be rude but to make sure it makes someone work hard to get it vaguely close to what it was again, or to re-invent it into something new that is even better.

[NotIdeal]

Look at the state of the community and the server that people are playing. Then add in the history of Dodian in the last several years, I would love to see this flourish but I haven't seen evidence that it will. I'm not saying it to be rude but to make sure it makes someone work hard to get it vaguely close to what it was again, or to re-invent it into something new that is even better.

Will never flourish, check out any top 100 list and 97/100 are pre-EOC (Custom) PVM servers with raids that are majority of the time P2W.

[Nightleaf]

Will never flourish, check out any top 100 list and 97/100 are pre-EOC (Custom) PVM servers with raids that are majority of the time P2W.

That was my point.

[Zman]

should reset and make a big announcement via email to past members before relaunch :)

[N0t]

just reset the server good for the eco

[KxWarrior]

Feel like every time the server is reset half the people leave.


For once I say leave it up. Its not like it’s 1:1 to rs for xp

[junkbot]

Feel like every time the server is reset half the people leave.


For once I say leave it up. Its not like it’s 1:1 to rs for xp

Agree with this. If it is reset I might come back, but honestly if I know today that it is going to be reset, I'm not going to play for the next idc how many months until the reset. And many people will think the same. Then who knows who will come back after the reset.

[Jords]

Reset, and scale back attainable items, in particular best is slot etc
Start basic and let accounts and the economy work their way up
Release items/content as it sees fit
I also think there needs to a bigger focus what the player base want also
I even think some changes to the original Dodian are necessary

[Nekromancer]

What do you think about reset economy and only combat skills ?

[Wolf]

Being one of the most active players lately (on break and staying up late lol) and observing things, i get all sides but i think as of now, resetting is a bad option. Itll only serve to scare away those few of us that ACTUALLY play and the new people weve worked hard to help and keep coming back.
4-5 max for months to seeing 10-15 regularly over this one week alone is progress no matter how small :)
If i was an old vet and i came back to an empty bank, fresh stats and all that time i spent gone, i wouldnt have it in me to do all that again and id probs quit.

Just food for thought!
we all wanna see dodian become something awesome :)

[Nozemi]

I also think there needs to a bigger focus what the player base want also

I haven't seen a lot of requests tbf. Also a problem with fulfilling requests have been the server's source code being limiting, as well as limited amount of hands to write the code. I for one am not likely to implement any content or changes to Dodian.

Also there have been attempts at adding content/changes that community seems to want, however every time this is done, it leads to a lot of drama. Hence why I personally just pushed for a legacy Dodian remake that resembles what Dodian once was, not like a Dodian-modernization.

The conclusion is probably to consider what the community want, but consider them thoroughly before just going ahead and adding it. There are quite a few things that community seems to want, but isn't necessarily a good thing to add.


Reset, and scale back attainable items, in particular best is slot etc
Start basic and let accounts and the economy work their way up
Release items/content as it sees fit

Probably won't happen. There is no real reason to reset the current progress. Think the best we'll be able to do is adding ironman modes, and potentially some highscores to go with it, so people can compete with that as well.

Potentially we could look into adding a highscores list option for post new server launch, where only characters created after that point will be listed, so those who wish to compete for the #1 spots post new server launch could do, and at the same time reach for the all time highscores. Guess that could be called seasonal highscores.

Without a real plan, there really is no point resetting the eco. Dodian never had good content, it always had badly designed content. The design stems from someone developing an RSPS for fun, and eventually it shaped into what Dodian became, people loved it, and it worked because there was a decently sized community around it. This isn't the case anymore, so we need to consider that.

If we are really going to push towards changes. A complete revamp (which has been attempted before), would be the way to go, and a new name to go with it. This is why I pursued Eldrios instead, because that doesn't make any expectations that it should be like Dodian or keep any elements.

Because when we start changing Dodian's content, it doesn't become Dodian anymore, which means we kinda lose the whole point of having a Dodian remake. It's better to have another server/project, under a new name to go along with the legacy Dodian remake with minimal changes.

This is my take on it anyway. If anyone has any opinions, they can feel free to voice them and it'll be considered :)

The biggest problem at the moment is time, hands and willingness to write code for Dodian. Would need to be more involvement on those for this to shape into a good remake.

Being one of the most active players lately (on break and staying up late lol) and observing things, i get all sides but i think as of now, resetting is a bad option. Itll only serve to scare away those few of us that ACTUALLY play and the new people weve worked hard to help and keep coming back.
4-5 max for months to seeing 10-15 regularly over this one week alone is progress no matter how small :)
If i was an old vet and i came back to an empty bank, fresh stats and all that time i spent gone, i wouldnt have it in me to do all that again and id probs quit.

Just food for thought!
we all wanna see dodian become something awesome :)
What do you think about reset economy and only combat skills ?

Think you'll find lots of answers in my reply to Jords :)

[KxWarrior]

Queue Snook learning to code it.

[K B D K0]

Yes, reset everything!

Lure me back in, it's been a while

[Nano]

I first started Dodian in 2007.

It ended in 2009/10.

Leave it there - I appreciate the efforts to revive it but it'll never be what it was. I understand the Admins will disagree as they want it to succeed but deep down...they know as well.

[Nozemi]

I first started Dodian in 2007.

It ended in 2009/10.

Leave it there - I appreciate the efforts to revive it but it'll never be what it was. I understand the Admins will disagree as they want it to succeed but deep down...they know as well.

Okay fella. You just made yourself look like a retard

It's not about reviving what it was, it's about keeping a remake online for those who wants to play it. So take your shit elsewhere. Thanks :)

[Fabrice L]

I first started Dodian in 2007.

It ended in 2009/10.

Leave it there - I appreciate the efforts to revive it but it'll never be what it was. I understand the Admins will disagree as they want it to succeed but deep down...they know as well.

Oooh, we tried letting it rest. But then the community comes asking for it themselves ;)

[Wiggy]

Can't believe it's back!!

I think a wipe is the best way - it might seem a bit annoying for new players when all the oldschool players come back, plus I forgot my old login.

[Fabrice L]

Can't believe it's back!!

I think a wipe is the best way - it might seem a bit annoying for new players when all the oldschool players come back, plus I forgot my old login.

Accounts being used now are not the old users Wiggy, they're accounts people created like a year ago

[Kuzmin]

Do the Thanos reset. Halve the xp and halve the amount of items. 10 magic logs halved = 5 magic logs. You have 1 whip, there's a chance it might be gone after the snap.

LOL

[Aaron]

Glad to see the Dodian community still striving :) - I will be around every now and then to check on things !

[Knight]

Absolutely a full reset is necessary.

[Spunky]

Absolutely a full reset is necessary.

Lol look at the idiot making suggestions like he knows what's going on here.

[junkbot]

Lol look at the idiot making suggestions like he knows what's going on here.

Especially after asking why so many failed and kept getting remade... Maybe people kept leaving because their stats were always reset... Guess he never thought of that.

[Psionyx]

Doesn't seem to think much at all. But I stick to my opinion, and he seems to validate it to some extent. The people who want resets are either inactive due to getting bored and a fresh start is always fun.. stakers who aren't playing cuz they lost it all but will play again if they got a clear chance to be one of the richest... I understand Nozemi said there's some eco damage done due to past dupes and such, but based on what I've seen in recent months, the accounts known for those dupes haven't been active in God knows how long, and aren't circulating the glitch-obtained items... I just see a reset being detrimental to player base were built just within the past month.. around here 10+ is enough to be playable and not feel alone lol. A reset in my opinion. Would lead to a burst of old players/stakers coming back, and the usual fizzle-out in 2-3 months.. a reset is not the fix to what people are saying are problems, it's a band-aid

[Smoke]

Can you please reset the server? I see majority of the votes for a full reset. If there is a good time to do it, it's now. Many people are not currently working and are remaining at home worldwide, this is prime time to bring in new players and old players.

[junkbot]

Can you please reset the server? I see majority of the votes for a full reset. If there is a good time to do it, it's now. Many people are not currently working and are remaining at home worldwide, this is prime time to bring in new players and old players.

Wolf and Lil have been playing non-stop for the last month to get to the top. They're #2 and #3 overall. I've got #1 place in 3 skills and about to get my 4th #1 place. There have been 10-15 people on per day for the last month or more. These people have not been working and remaining home. Why would a reset need to take place? You want to just invalidate the work of the people who have played for the last 2 months for what? You'd lose these people, and any new people coming in would just leave after a few weeks anyway. Your argument about people staying home doesn't make sense. People have been staying home for 2 months now and they've been playing.

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And as for the vote. The vote is so high for the reset because so many new people have come and asked for a reset only to leave after a few days to a week. Those number are inflated by people who don't even play.

[Spunky]

A reset is definitely a bad idea. As if the 50 other times a reset never worked hasn't proven that, a lot of people would just leave. We've all worked for our stats and there's absolutely no reason for them to be erased just for another temporary boost in players that will inevitably fade again like they always do once they get maxed again. The only people who really voted for a restart anyway are people who don't play. All around a bad idea.

Plus Ivan said no restart regardless of these poll results.

[Nozemi]

Can you please reset the server? I see majority of the votes for a full reset. If there is a good time to do it, it's now. Many people are not currently working and are remaining at home worldwide, this is prime time to bring in new players and old players.

The poll wasn't made because I want to do what the majority votes for. Which I vaguely stated in the OP as well. I just wanted to see where community's heads are at.

As I've said in a couple posts earlier as well, a reset is not the solution. It's not gonna be helpful in the long run.

[Smoke]

[QUOTE=junkbot;2170]Wolf and Lil have been playing non-stop for the last month to get to the top. They're #2 and #3 overall. I've got #1 place in 3 skills and about to get my 4th #1 place. There have been 10-15 people on per day for the last month or more. These people have not been working and remaining home. Why would a reset need to take place? You want to just invalidate the work of the people who have played for the last 2 months for what? You'd lose these people, and any new people coming in would just leave after a few weeks anyway. Your argument about people staying home doesn't make sense. People have been staying home for 2 months now and they've been playing.

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You clearly don't understand my point. There are many people in the world right now that are remaining at home. With a server reset and the right advertising this is a perfect time to bring in new players and old players. I don't know how else to rephrase this for you to understand. Also you said that there is 10-15 people online daily, I find that to be not accurate considering I have been coming and checking up on Dodian a lot recently and not once have seen 15 people online. I guess a restart is a sensitive subject for you since you have grinded this for while now and that's understandable. Just keep in mind bringing in new players and bringing back old players at this point in the game is just not going to happen.

[Smoke]

The poll wasn't made because I want to do what the majority votes for. Which I vaguely stated in the OP as well. I just wanted to see where community's heads are at.

As I've said in a couple posts earlier as well, a reset is not the solution. It's not gonna be helpful in the long run.


I would like to let you know that before I went to work the votes were in favor of a reset. I come home 6 hours later and it appears someone has used alternate accounts and voted 9 times to keep the server the same. I think you should look into the guy who is making alternate accounts just to vote.

It was 36 in favor of a reset and 29 in favor of keeping everything the same. 6 hours later I come on and there is 38 votes on keep server the same. Sad that people would steep so low and cheat during a poll.

[junkbot]

Wolf and Lil have been playing non-stop for the last month to get to the top. They're #2 and #3 overall. I've got #1 place in 3 skills and about to get my 4th #1 place. There have been 10-15 people on per day for the last month or more. These people have not been working and remaining home. Why would a reset need to take place? You want to just invalidate the work of the people who have played for the last 2 months for what? You'd lose these people, and any new people coming in would just leave after a few weeks anyway. Your argument about people staying home doesn't make sense. People have been staying home for 2 months now and they've been playing.

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You clearly don't understand my point. There are many people in the world right now that are remaining at home. With a server reset and the right advertising this is a perfect time to bring in new players and old players. I don't know how else to rephrase this for you to understand. Also you said that there is 10-15 people online daily, I find that to be not accurate considering I have been coming and checking up on Dodian a lot recently and not once have seen 15 people online. I guess a restart is a sensitive subject for you since you have grinded this for while now and that's understandable. Just keep in mind bringing in new players and bringing back old players at this point in the game is just not going to happen.

I understood you correctly. What I was saying is that while there are many people around the world right now remaining home, quarantine started in many of the world's countries about 2 months ago. Hence why I have seen 10-15 people on a day. Some Europe, some US, some from NZ. Over the last 2 months of quarantine these people have been playing. It would be unfair to us to have reset after we have grinded so hard. If an advertising push was to be made it should have been done 2 months ago when quarantine was in full effect, not now when most places are opening back up again and people are going to work.

Restarting is a sensitive subject because of the work a lot of people have been putting in. These people who have been playing for the last 2 months would most certainly not come back if they saw everything erased. The server would be losing 10-15 people who play almost every day, in the hopes of getting 20+ new people who might play for a bit and then leave.

This server isn't something flashy and amazing like the other servers out there with all their PKing and skills and minigames and what not. Those people coming in will lose interest. And as for the people who might come back after being gone for so long, they will just leave again like they did in the first place. It's unfortunately how it happens a lot of the time. It sucks but that's life.

You yourself have said that you've come on to check how things are, why have you not stayed? What stopped you from playing some more with the rest of us? If you want it to be like a reset then just sign up again with a new account and start from scratch. Nothing is stopping you. Unlike other servers, those of us with higher stats always give out free things to those who are starting out. I've given away heaps of things, as has Wolf, as has Lil, as have so many other people.

If the reset is to give you a chance to get on the highscores, then sorry to say that would not be nice at all. I used to be in the top 15 in the highscores last year, then I stopped playing and dropped way behind. I'm getting back up there now thanks to playing the last 2 months.

The one thing we should keep in mind is that this server is not meant to be a cash grab and dump like most other servers out there that just die after a few months. And it's not intended to be the top. This is a server for those who just want to play and have fun. I'm sure when the new server base is done the admins will send a mass email to everyone registered and let them know.

[Smoke]

You sound like the guy who used 9 alternate accounts to vote and keep the server the way it is.

[junkbot]

You sound like the guy who used 9 alternate accounts to vote and keep the server the way it is.

I know who it was. No, it wasn't me. The mods will be able to confirm that.

That being said, many of the votes for "yes" if you check yourself are from people who are either level 3 with no stats, or people who haven't been on in a while. People who haven't actually been playing. It's a shame, because they don't play, but still vote to have a reset.

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

The proverb 'A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' means that it's better to hold onto something you have rather than take the risk of getting something better which may come to nothing.

As an admin, would you rather reset for the hope of those people maybe coming back, or keep it the way it is for those who play and don't wish to have the reset?

[Nozemi]

There is enough information in this thread to conclude now.