A Guarantee.

[Knight]

I would really appreciate a Dodian that lasts.. I have been playing many of Fabrice's last projects and have always been let down by the poor advertising of the server and overall unwillingness to see it progress.

My questions:


Why did the last Dodian, Exorth, etc. fail?
How can you guarantee a stable playerbase?
Will you conduct regular updates that address what the community wants to see, this time?


History always seems to repeat it's past, please change my perspective. Thank you!

[Nozemi]

I would really appreciate a Dodian that lasts.. I have been playing many of Fabrice's last projects and have always been let down by the poor advertising of the server and overall unwillingness to see it progress.

My questions:


Why did the last Dodian, Exorth, etc. fail?
How can you guarantee a stable playerbase?
Will you conduct regular updates that address what the community wants to see, this time?


History always seems to repeat it's past, please change my perspective. Thank you!

You've got this all wrong.

1. We simply can't guarantee a stable playerbase.
2. The last remakes failed because it's a community hard to satisfy. Some wants changes, others don't. Changes are introduced, people quit, responsible people discontinue it and cancel the servers (waste of money). The current one has been up and running since around February 2019, so well over a year now.
3. No, we absolutely won't guarantee any regular updates. At least I won't, and the other developer do things whenever he has time. This thing is strictly to provide the nostalgic experience of having a server online for those who wish to play.

There really is no point in advertising. Never was. Everything was too messy to benefit in the slightest from advertisements. Nobody were able to clean up the mess before the thing was discontinued.

Highly unlikely that anyone will put money into advertising the current one as well. There is a very limited interest in Dodian remakes these days. I'm personally just tired of seeing a new one pop up every half year or so because someone won't let it die. So I've taken it upon myself to make sure a remake remains online to avoid this.

In the process I decided that all monetizing of Dodian is removed, at least until we can provide something worth paying for.

If someone wants to see real progress or changes on here, someone needs to provide the funding. The only motivator to develop a Dodian remake these days is for money. The remake itself won't make nearly enough to pay for developers that can make regular updates. However if community wishes, things can be crowd-funded.

[Knight]

You've got this all wrong.

1. We simply can't guarantee a stable playerbase.
2. The last remakes failed because it's a community hard to satisfy. Some wants changes, others don't. Changes are introduced, people quit, responsible people discontinue it and cancel the servers (waste of money). The current one has been up and running since around February 2019, so well over a year now.
3. No, we absolutely won't guarantee any regular updates. At least I won't, and the other developer do things whenever he has time. This thing is strictly to provide the nostalgic experience of having a server online for those who wish to play.

There really is no point in advertising. Never was. Everything was too messy to benefit in the slightest from advertisements. Nobody were able to clean up the mess before the thing was discontinued.

Highly unlikely that anyone will put money into advertising the current one as well. There is a very limited interest in Dodian remakes these days. I'm personally just tired of seeing a new one pop up every half year or so because someone won't let it die. So I've taken it upon myself to make sure a remake remains online to avoid this.

In the process I decided that all monetizing of Dodian is removed, at least until we can provide something worth paying for.

If someone wants to see real progress or changes on here, someone needs to provide the funding. The only motivator to develop a Dodian remake these days is for money. The remake itself won't make nearly enough to pay for developers that can make regular updates. However if community wishes, things can be crowd-funded.

I've got it wrong?

I think not. I've been playing since Fab made his #298 and I was one of the only players playing for months on end, no one seemed to care to see the game progress. Constant bugs, no advertisements, etc. YET, the donations received from many of your projects has gone toward NOTHING but the host. No one ever seemed to care to see Dodian continue.

Now we are in 2020 and you want to bring back the past, but with a strict "nostalgic" approach. That's awful and it will be a repeat of the history of any remake of Dodian.

It's sad you few own the domains to these names and want to build something from it. I'm sorry, but you should not be remaking something if you plan to ruin everything in the blink of an eye each time you decide you want to quit!

Awful management and quite frankly pathetic! -.-

[Nozemi]

I've got it wrong?

I think not. I've been playing since Fab made his #298 and I was one of the only players playing for months on end, no one seemed to care to see the game progress. Constant bugs, no advertisements, etc. YET, the donations received from many of your projects has gone toward NOTHING but the host. No one ever seemed to care to see Dodian continue.

Now we are in 2020 and you want to bring back the past, but with a strict "nostalgic" approach. That's awful and it will be a repeat of the history of any remake of Dodian.

It's sad you few own the domains to these names and want to build something from it. I'm sorry, but you should not be remaking something if you plan to ruin everything in the blink of an eye each time you decide you want to quit!

Awful management and quite frankly pathetic! -.-

Alright man. You seem to have it all figured out. Go make your own remake :)

[Knight]

Alright man. You seem to have it all figured out. Go make your own remake :)

Typical response.

I and many others only want to see this success and you want to shutdown any approach to a successful Dodian remake. You blame us' for your failures and want us to figure it out on our own.

I've watched you Nozemi attempt this for years and you never produce a single successful remake. You are the wrong person for management clearly and with these responses they show your true intentions.

[Surface]

Interesting.

[Eikenboom]

Maybe you shouldn't nag and read the forums.
There are no donations now, it is no longer a P2W server.

We are working on a new stable OSRS version!
And instead of asking for guarantees, make sure you become part of the project. Like most do here, by helping to write, collect data and suggest ideas that could potentially be used!

And as far as you shout about advertisements, there should first be a stable server, and a nice fun community!
If the community wants advertisements to be published, the community will also have to pay for this.

I personally think it is great that people make their domain and server available to run this version!

So take care of your own guarantee and make sure you become part of the remake!

[Nozemi]

Typical response.

I and many others only want to see this success and you want to shutdown any approach to a successful Dodian remake. You blame us' for your failures and want us to figure it out on our own.

I've watched you Nozemi attempt this for years and you never produce a single successful remake. You are the wrong person for management clearly and with these responses they show your true intentions.

Already stated my intentions multiple times. I only put this up so people can play it, rather than having someone put up a new equally bad remake time and time again.

Ivan is behind the wheel, I don't do anything anymore. Only reason I'm admin on site atm was because I had to check something that required admin access in game.

Don't think it's any point in you and I discussing anything. Doubt we'll ever meet any kind of understanding from either side. So if you're so unhappy about what's going on here, my suggestion is to start your own thing somewhere else.

This is the last professional thing I did for Dodian:
https://dodian.net/showthread.php?t=374

[Knight]

Already stated my intentions multiple times. I only put this up so people can play it, rather than having someone put up a new equally bad remake time and time again.

Ivan is behind the wheel, I don't do anything anymore. Only reason I'm admin on site atm was because I had to check something that required admin access in game.

Don't think it's any point in you and I discussing anything. Doubt we'll ever meet any kind of understanding from either side. So if you're so unhappy about what's going on here, my suggestion is to start your own thing somewhere else.

This is the last professional thing I did for Dodian:
https://dodian.net/showthread.php?t=374

Stop telling me to 'just make a remake yourself' as if that justifies ANYTHING?

How awful are you that stating this is the only solution to my issue here? You are such a disgrace to the name Dodian! If you think a player wanting to see a successful Dodian, that asked very minor questions, should be treated as such than you need to leave! This is the problem Dodian has had for years.

If Ivan wants to see a successful nostalgic remake than he needs to follow the correct path at finding the core issues on why Dodian Remakes have failed since the dawn of Dodian. No one has successfully remade a Dodian that lasts and that's all I care about.

I do not need to recreate my own Dodian server to prove a point!

Disgraceful! :furious:

[junkbot]

History always seems to repeat it's past, please change my perspective. Thank you!

You know that quote that is attributed to Ghandi but was not actually said?

"Be the change you want to see in the world."

Although it's not a quote let's take it and use it in your case.


Don't like how it ended?
Don't like that there is no guarantee?
Want to see regular updates?


Do the work yourself. The source code is all online.
Can't do the work yourself? Pay the developers to do it, or get the sources to pay another developer to do it.

I agree there is always time for criticism, but you've yet to give any in this thread. All you've done is complain. Even before anything can be done, there are bugs that need to be fixed. They will be fixed sometimes in the future with the new server, if it is finished. The thing is, it's people like you shitting on others that demotivates them to do any of the work. People play today and continue to play because it's something that's playable and it's okay the way it is for now. So what if it uses the Dodian name? It uses it for anyone who still wants to come back and remind themselves of what Dodian used to be. It's not trying to be a successful server and the best out there.

No one in this thread was pathetic or disgraceful. You're the one who acted like a dumbass when everyone else responded normally and truthfully.

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Why not come here instead and say you want to see this succeed and want to support those running the server so that it can succeed? Talk to Ivan and see what he needs, to talk to Nozemi and see what he needs, see what the server needs and offer up the cash to make it succeed. Don't just complain.

[Nozemi]

Stop telling me to 'just make a remake yourself' as if that justifies ANYTHING?

How awful are you that stating this is the only solution to my issue here? You are such a disgrace to the name Dodian! If you think a player wanting to see a successful Dodian, that asked very minor questions, should be treated as such than you need to leave! This is the problem Dodian has had for years.

If Ivan wants to see a successful nostalgic remake than he needs to follow the correct path at finding the core issues on why Dodian Remakes have failed since the dawn of Dodian. No one has successfully remade a Dodian that lasts and that's all I care about.

I do not need to recreate my own Dodian server to prove a point!

Disgraceful! :furious:

You proved your point just fine. I answered your questions as well. I also told you I already more or less left.

What you fail to understand is; there is nobody that can make any professional guarantees to treat this project the way you want. Not even you apparently.

If I leave it completely, we're going back to the way things were when a new fresh just as shitty remake (both in management and play-ability) reboots every year or so. I suppose you want that then?

Get your head out of your ass. Maybe you can grasp the situation then.

The fact that the only thing you pull out of all I wrote is that I suggest you make your own remake, shows how much you don't really care about making this a successful thing. You're just here to talk shit about those who're currently in charge of making this whatever it currently is.

[Pro Noob]

Why did the last Dodian, Exorth, etc. fail?
- You answered your own question:
" I have been playing many of Fabrice's last projects and have always been let down by the poor advertising of the server and overall unwillingness to see it progress ",
I believe mostly the "unwillingness to see it progress" part.
As we all know Dodian is a old source and need a upgrade. This upgrade is where we are currently at. If this sounds like the same ol same ol, then I am sad to see that is all I got.

How can you guarantee a stable playerbase?
- Noone can guarantee a stable player count. People lose interest, others come back. We do our best to make sure there is some sort of interest.

Will you conduct regular updates that address what the community wants to see, this time?
- We have done quite a few updates. Some of the stuff however is either not supportive due to dodian or just do not feel like dodian. If you got any suggestions feel free to leave a post here (https://dodian.net/forumdisplay.php?f=4). We'll openly welcome them and also attempt to discuss.

[Knight]

Why did the last Dodian, Exorth, etc. fail?
- You answered your own question:
" I have been playing many of Fabrice's last projects and have always been let down by the poor advertising of the server and overall unwillingness to see it progress ",
I believe mostly the "unwillingness to see it progress" part.
As we all know Dodian is a old source and need a upgrade. This upgrade is where we are currently at. If this sounds like the same ol same ol, then I am sad to see that is all I got.

How can you guarantee a stable playerbase?
- Noone can guarantee a stable player count. People lose interest, others come back. We do our best to make sure there is some sort of interest.

Will you conduct regular updates that address what the community wants to see, this time?
- We have done quite a few updates. Some of the stuff however is either not supportive due to dodian or just do not feel like dodian. If you got any suggestions feel free to leave a post here (https://dodian.net/forumdisplay.php?f=4). We'll openly welcome them and also attempt to discuss.

Thank you Pro Noob for responding with an appropriate and professional response. This gives some clarity.

As for Nozemi telling me to take my head out of my ass for confronting the elephant in the room, that will not fly. This is your leadership bashing players wanting questions answered.

Obviously you can not 'guarantee' a stable playerbase, but there are means to making this happen. I have been with many projects that last years upon years and are still going, it takes the proper management and will to succeed. Telling players to contribute to an open source is such a cliche way of running this, you are relying on the community when there are clearly enough Educated and well known developers who could easily tackle this.

What a failure Nozemi has become.

[Nozemi]

Thank you Pro Noob for responding with an appropriate and professional response. This gives some clarity.

As for Nozemi telling me to take my head out of my ass for confronting the elephant in the room, that will not fly. This is your leadership bashing players wanting questions answered.

Obviously you can not 'guarantee' a stable playerbase, but there are means to making this happen. I have been with many projects that last years upon years and are still going, it takes the proper management and will to succeed. Telling players to contribute to an open source is such a cliche way of running this, you are relying on the community when there are clearly enough Educated and well known developers who could easily tackle this.

What a failure Nozemi has become.

You're ridiculously stupid. This is a closed case. Fuck off with your shitty opinions. Run back to whatever closet you came from.

I'm convinced you're just a troll.